as human beings we are intellectually superior to cats and dogs and llamas and goats and sheep and pretty much every other animal on this blue-green ‘n’ beautiful earth. what separates us from even the most intelligent of apes is the fact that we, as humans, can formulate our own ideas and theories and philosophies and opinions. we can create art. we can fall in love. we understand what regret means, what loneliness means, what power means… and what exploitation means. when we milk a cow with the intent of selling her milk, she does not know she is being milked for “exploitative” purposes. she does not know that her milk will be sold for profit. she cannot grasp the fact that some people will drink this milk and some people will not. it is doubtful, quite frankly, that this cow totally understands that she is an animal, she will die someday, she will give offspring, etc. so when y’all say “well!! u don’t see animals waging war or being racist or homophobic!!! an ant is worth just as much as ur worth!!!” you’re being kind of… well, ridiculous? animals don’t wage war because they don’t have the capacity to understand the hierarchical structure that breeds warfare. it’s scientifically impossible for them to grasp inherently human concepts, okay? i am a human being and my life is worth more than the life of an ant’s life or a dog’s life or a cow’s life. i understand consciousness. i can create. i can write and sing and dance and put forth art and ideas. i can wax eloquent and fall in love and i can bring forth radical change because my HUMANITY gives me the tools to do so. a chicken could not and will not ever be able to do this. certain animals nurture their young out of instinct, i will nurture my children (if i choose to have them) because i will love them. i will want them to grow up and be successful and happy. i will want them to bring forth radical change, i will want to give them the tools they need to understand the world and its intricacies. animals mate out of instinct. i have sex because i’m horny, because i want to feel a connection to another human, because i want to understand someone else’s humanity. okay? get it? what’s that ajj lyric? “i would kill a kitten to save a human being”, or something like that?
i’m a (transitioning) vegan because i believe that animals can’t speak for themselves because they don’t have the capacity to do so. i don’t feel personally comfortable consuming and using animal products because animals are living, breathing creatures and deserve (even if they aren’t capable of higher thought) to be as free as we are as humans. we should not cage animals. i am a proponent of animal liberation and i always will be. but do i think animals are intellectually inferior to me? well, i mean, yeah. i do.
I agree with most of this but I’d like to point out a few incorrect things.
Ants wage wars between colonies and will go in and kill other colonies and their queen. Many other animal species that are pack animals [lions, wolves] wage something like a war over territory.
Many animals mate for life which could be considered something like love. I mean, what is love really anyways? I consider it dedication personally which would be commitment. And then, think of any dog and its loyalty to its human. And if you want to bring up the argument that they can’t buy eachother gifts to show love, well that’s materialistic and penguins give eachother pebbles. They just don’t have capitalism or anything. We do because humans evolved to use tools. We literally don’t do anything without using something that isn’t part of our body. And we’re the only species who does.
And what about mentally disabled people who can’t do most of these human emotions? Should we eat them? No, obviously not.
And people only know these things because that’s how we’ve evolved. People are extremely domesticated. Take for example Genie. Long story short, she was locked in a bedroom strapped to a toilet, never spoken to, her meals were given to her and that was all she knew of people. For thirteen years. She became feral, like an animal but with no instinct. Humans no longer have instinct. If people are left alone like that, they don’t learn to take care of themselves. So sure, in civilized regards, we are far more intellectually advanced. But there was that thing Einstein said about fishes and intellect, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing its stupid. Humans can’t survive out on their own, so compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, we’re morons. We [for the most part] can’t even get our own food without using some kind of outside source [guns, knives, arrows, gardening with tools]. Note how you said “humanity,” implying humans. You can’t judge a non human animal’s ability on a human scale.
Obviously I’m not bashing veganism; I just think your argument is flawed. I’m a vegan because I think its arrogant to think animals were put on this planet for us to use.
This^! And I’d like to add that just because animals may have a different concept of life, it doesn’t mean their lives are less important to them, nor does it mean that they are just as happy in a factory farm as they would be in fields (give them some credit, they know better). Also there is a growing body of research about the social lives of animals and most of it suggests that even animals like fish and chickens can maintain complex relationships with group members. Sure, we can verbalize our thoughts and emotions (well, some of us can) and we can write lots of stuff on the internet and whatnot, but that doesn’t make us fit to judge the lives of non-human animals. And it certainly doesn’t make us somehow better than them. Never confuse cleverness with superiority.
ialwayslandonmyfeet: Can someone explain to me, not in concerns to cosmetics, why people get angry when animals, specifically rats and rabbits, are used in medicinal experiments?
Does that not benefit humanity? My mum’s medication for example, thyroxine, wouldn’t have exsisted without the use of such lab tests.
This is not a closed minded question, I genuinely want some insight into this…
Most people that work in the field of animal testing would like us all to believe that what they do is important for human health. Unfortunately for us and the animals this is just not true.
Vivisection has its roots in a DesCartes way of thinking. That is, that animals are machines and any sound they make is not the sound of an animal crying out in pain, but are merely mechanical reactions. From his Wiki “he believed that only humans have minds. This led him to the belief that animals cannot feel pain, and Descartes’s practice of vivisection (the dissection of live animals) became widely used throughout Europe until the Enlightenment.”.
Most animal testing done today is done with one goal in mind- money. Researchers can pull in millions of dollars for just one experiment and half the money automatically goes to the institution they work at. Also, companies use vivisection as a shield to lawsuits. If something goes wrong with human trials they can point to the cat they tested on and say, “See! I did my part, it was unavoidable!” One of the most notorious uses of this excuse came from big tobacco. They pumped monkey after monkey with poisonous cigarette smoke and none of the animals ever got cancer. They used this reasoning to make the audacious claim, in a court of law, that “cigarettes do not cause cancer”.
It is estimated that over 150 million vertebrate animals, including mice, rats, birds, fish, rabbits, guinea pigs, farm animals, dogs, cats and non-human primates, are used annually worldwide in vivisection. Animals are bred for this purpose and can also be wild-caught or taken from an animal shelter. All animals on Earth have many things in common, including humans. We have tongues to taste, we have noses to sniff, and eyes to see. But on the cellular level we are just too different. Take chocolate, for example- you or I can eat as much chocolate as we want and we might eventually get a tummy-ache, but if you feed your dog even a little chocolate, she could die. Also, arsenic, known for it’s deadliness in humans, is a mild sedative for sheep. These cellular differences mean a lot.
Vivisection is not only erroneous to human health, it has a history of setting us back. Today, most people know that Polio is caused by ingesting contaminated fecal material. Inside humans, the disease manifests itself in the digestive tract, but with rhesus monkeys, the poliovirus infects their body through their nasal passages and attacks their central nervous system. In 1937, using monkey data, a preventative nasal spray was created. Sadly, the only thing the spray did was to erase some children’s sense of smell, sometimes permanently. For nearly 25 years progress was delayed by using the animal model. As far back as 1907, Dr. Ivar Wickman, using careful epidemiological analysis of actual human cases had shown that polio was not entirely or even chiefly a disease of the CNS, (central nervous system). The studies, based on over 1000 Swedish cases also correctly concluded that the gastrointestinal tract was the probable route of infection. These findings were ignored for years in favor of the easier, although highly inaccurate, animal model.
But I urge you, please, do not believe a word I say. The facts are out there. If you look up what these medical researchers are actually doing to animals, you’ll find that most of these experiments are pointless or could be done easily with in vitro and computer models. Technology today allows us to do many things that we could not do before, including learning programs that teach advanced surgery techniques using a computer.
L/D 50 tests, are widespread, cruel and utterly useless. Researchers take a substance; bleach, toothpaste, nyquil, air freshener, etc, and they take a group of animals and pump their bodies full of it until half of the test subjects die, hence the name L/D 50- the lethal dose for 50% of your test subjects. The list of pointless studies goes on for miles. During maternal deprivation studies they impregnate a monkey and quickly take her baby away at birth. Infant monkeys are implanted with monitoring devices, and behavior – consisting of crying for their mothers, shaking, clasping themselves, social withdrawal, and slouched posture – is recorded. “Maternal Obesity and Childhood Body Weight” is another experiment currently funded at the Oregon National Primate Research Center. This one entails feeding monkeys a diet of water, oil, lard, beef tallow and butter only. These experiments continue despite the fact that the negative effects of maternal obesity on children have already been well established in human clinical studies. Vivisectors also impregnate monkeys and then feed her alcohol and cigarettes. Once she has given birth, they dissect her baby to see what happened, as if we needed to know that smoking and drinking while pregnant is not a good thing to do. Electro-ejaculation is another cruel feature of vivisection. Animals are strapped to a machine and then repeatedly force-ejaculated by an electric rod, sometimes up to 241 times, not including failed attempts.
I could go on for days, but the point is- these animals suffer and die for nothing. These animals suffer and die and there isn’t even a database for the knowledge acquired through vivisection, meaning that a pregnant Macau monkey can go through painful maternal deprivation studies and 2 months later, the same experiment can happen, even within the same facility. Also, it is important to remember, over 100,000 people die annually from legally prescribed medication, so we are most certainly already testing on humans. Vivisection has held us back for too long, it has proven bad medications “safe” and who knows how many safe medications failed in the lab using animal models.
Mi perro ha muerto. Lo enterré en el jardín junto a una vieja máquina oxidada.
Allí, no más abajo, ni más arriba, se juntará conmigo alguna vez.
Ahora él ya se fue con su pelaje, su mala educación, su nariz fría.
Y yo, materialista que no cree en el celeste cielo prometido para ningún humano, para este perro o para todo perro creo en el cielo, sí, creo en un cielo donde yo no entraré, pero él me espera ondulando su cola de abanico para que yo al llegar tenga amistades.
Ay no diré la tristeza en la tierra de no tenerlo más por compañero que para mí jamás fue un servidor. Tuvo hacia mí la amistad de un erizo que conservaba su soberanía, la amistad de una estrella independiente sin más intimidad que la precisa, sin exageraciones: no se trepaba sobre mi vestuario llenándome de pelos o de sarna, no se frotaba contra mi rodilla como otros perros obsesos sexuales.
No, mi perro me miraba dándome la atención necesaria la atención necesaria para hacer comprender a un vanidoso que siendo perro él, con esos ojos, más puros que los míos, perdía el tiempo, pero me miraba con la mirada que me reservó toda su dulce, su peluda vida, su silenciosa vida, cerca de mí, sin molestarme nunca, y sin pedirme nada.
Ay cuántas veces quise tener cola andando junto a él por las orillas del mar, en el Invierno de Isla Negra, en la gran soledad: arriba el aire traspasando de pájaros glaciales y mi perro brincando, hirsuto, lleno de voltaje marino en movimiento: mi perro vagabundo y olfatorio enarbolando su cola dorada frente a frente al Océano y su espuma. alegre, alegre, alegre como los perros saben ser felices, sin nada más, con el absolutismo de la naturaleza descarada. No hay adiós a mi perro que se ha muerto.
Y no hay ni hubo mentira entre nosotros. Ya se fue y lo enterré, y eso era todo.
“I have nothing now but praise for my life. I’m not unhappy. I cry a lot because I miss people. They die and I can’t stop them. They leave me and I love them more. … What I dread is the isolation. … There are so many beautiful things in the world which I will have to leave when I die, but I’m ready, I’m ready, I’m ready.”—Maurice Sendak on Fresh Air in 2011. [all interviews with Sendak here] (via nprfreshair)